Electricity Shoulder prices

[PEng1]

Why are the new off peak prices 40% higher than the shoulder prices. It should be the other way around. My latest electricity bill for a quarter , is $23 more than it should be. AGL has approximately 4.5 Million customers. This could be costing Australians $500 Million to $1.5 Billion  a year.  This is a serious, serious error, or are AGL farming unsuspecting Customers. 

[Lester]

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Hi @PEng1 

I'm just an AGL customer too, but know that all shoulder Australia wide is pretty much less than off peak now, due to solar soak excess energy from solar between 1000 and 1500.

In reality, off peak is still a middle ground for those wee hours of the morning to keep things like fridges ticking over, but it's really becoming less important now.

What are you running in off peak still ?

A HWS ?

If so, you might have to get that onto your shoulder times to take advantage of the lower pricing.

You might be able to do this in metering, after all it is just a timing thing . . . if on CL (controlled load) you might need some electrician type work.

I had my sparky put my HWS onto normal circuit a while ago, and install a simple analogue timer to my HWS, so I can set it for solar hours (free) when fine, or like now in winter another cheap time for a top off.

My cheap time is EV rate between 0000 and 0600, but usually on most plans the cehpest tariff will be shoulder, usually 1000 - 1500. 

[PEng1]

Hi Lester, 

Very interesting, what you are saying is not in accordance with what Energy Australia, google searches, and everybody old and young I have spoken to, and even the AGL chat line says.  They all say peak most expensive, off peak cheapest , shoulder in between.

If what you are saying is correct , AGL is carrying out gross misrepresentation.

I and a lot of people use off peak for high energy use activities such as nightly pool pump, dishwasher, clothes dryer, oven self cleaning .  

Then there is the Hot Water heating issue.  This has always been off peak as it is the cheapest. AGL should be making it abundantly that people are being overcharged , approximately 50% for , for using off-peak hot water 

I hope AGL can clarify and make this very clear to all its customers.

A lot of customers are carrying out activities at off peak thinking that they are doing the cheapest and most environmentally friendly thing.

AGL. Please comment 

I will be approaching news media, local members and Climate Change Council to get their opinions

This is a major cost of living issue.

Does AGL even look at these chats, if not, it is a complete waste of time, and a source of misinformation.

AGL   PICK YOUR ACT UP 

[Lester]

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@PEng1 it's quite possible different DNSPs in the various states and regions have very different charging methods, and timings could have as much variation as supply charges and tariffs between states.

It used to be that there was peak obviously dearest, then shoulder, then off peak.

Here in SA renewables are very high in solar soak, so shoulder is now much less.

My new rates from July 1 and timings for the various tariffs . . .

Note, I don't really have an off peak any longer, with the EV rate overriding all of that tariff period.

Likewise, CL (controlled load) doesn't apply to me now either, as I put that onto the normal circuit with a timer, and just the HW either free from solar, or at the 8c rate.

You'll probably see too that our peak tariff is for 13 hours a day !!

The early morning pre work type 4 hours, then the really long 1500 - midnight period that is very bad for bill with people using perhaps most of their power during the week with late pm / early evening usage.

AGL do come by here quite often, probably every few days at most between rep visits.