David uPDATE,,, had to ring another 13 number yesterday ...and got the "fax" noise with that call ...obviously egg on my face !!! sorry!!! ...although "chat" link still not seen on webpage and dont have app on phone ........tried to "chat" with ip with nbn phone ...hopeless ...copied 3 pages of transcript and will have to give tpg a hard time ...as you should be able to talk to people via the phone !!!! phillip