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EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Dimitryp — Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:08:38 GMT

Hello,

I currently have an EDMI Mk10d meter installed, and got a Solar system installed a month back. The meter has been reconfigured and i'm feeding into the grid and all that, all of that is fine.

I presently have codes 03 and 13 available on the meter, which show my cumulative usage from the grid (from the time the meter was installed?), and also my cumulative feed-in back to grid.

What i would really like to do is to be able to see live usage for my house, i.e. when i switch on my 2kw kettle, i want to walk to the meter and it should show "2kw current live usage" (lets just assume i have no stand-by appliances).

I used to be able to see this when i had a different brand of electronic (but not smart?) meter about a year back, but then this got switched out by AGL for the EDMI Mk10d.

Additionally seeing live feed-in kwh's (what solar is feeding into the grid this second) would also be very useful.

I emailed AGL support about this, and they asked me to ring PLUS ES (the smart meter maintenance people, from what i can tell), but they told me that what i'm asking for is not possible.

Is this really true? No way to see live usage in your house? Very frustrating if that is the case.

thanks,

Dimitry

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Schander — Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:41:49 GMT

Hi Dimitry,

Have you tried looking into this?

Solar Efergy Engage Hub Online Wifi Energy Monitor

Regards,

Schander

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Dimitryp — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:10:03 GMT

Thanks Schader.

That looks like an interesting solution, but unfortunately not particularly cheap. I've got 3 phase power, so that's $320 for the device, and then maybe $200 to get an electrician to install - so $500+ in total.

There's another similar solution i've seen, called Solar Analytics. Does the same thing pretty much. Been quoted $700 to install that.

My problem could be solved very easily if the Meter would just display live data. It has the readings, im pretty sure it can do it, its just a matter of getting AGL/meter provider to enable that, which they dont seem to want to do.

Dimitry

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Schander — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 11:06:22 GMT

Hi Dimitry,

I apologise, I may have misread your message earlier. I understand now that you are wanting to go the meter each time to check. I live in a 3 phase powered house and have the exact same smart meter.

These identifiers normally correspond with the following descriptions:

03 & 04 - Excess energy consumed by customer
07 - Total energy consumed by customer’s hot water
13 - Excess energy exported by solar system
14 - Excess energy exported by customer
43 - This register should record zero
53 - Total Excess energy consumed by customer
63 - Total Excess energy exported by solar system

In my situation, I didn't want to keep going to the meter to read it just to see how much was consumed by a single appliance and in reality, even if I turned all my standby appliances off, the fridge is still running 24 x 7 and the switch behind it wasn't easily accessible for me to keep turning it off manually and go to the meter to see how much my kettle or microwave was consuming.

So, what I did instead was buy a Kogan Power Meter.

https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-smarterhome-smart-plug-with-energy-meter-pack-of-4-kogan/

I put one on my fridge, another one on my Washer/Dryer, another one on my kettle/microwave, and a final one in the bedroom where I was running a heater during the winter. You don't need an electrician for this. The app, once you get it connected to your internet router, allows you to see real-time consumption of the appliance. You can track it by day, by month, and by year. Now, having said that, it tells me what the actual consumption was. With Solar, I would always run my Inverter's App and pull that information real-time and reconcile it manually that way.

You can go to the smart meter each time to do a check, but in my case, it wasn't convenient and I was too busy trying to look up the registers each time.

Hope the above information helps!

Regards,

Schander

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Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Schander — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 11:28:53 GMT

Hi Dimitry,

Just adding to the note that I realise I have provided all the registers across the smart meters. This particular MK10D provides the following registers (per what is in the AGL community page):

I think the question/issue is whether that smart meter can be configured for more registers to provide more information. If not, then you can reconcile it the way I mentioned.

Regards,

Schander

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Dimitryp — Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:19:47 GMT

Hi Schander,

In regards to the kogan type electricity monitors, i actually have something like that so i know what my key appliances consume. The reason why i want to get live readings is to tell if my solar is "working properly" at a given time, as in, is it covering the usage of my aircon right now?

I dont mind going out to the meter to check that.

Problem is, as you stated, by meter only gives me codes 03 and 13, which is cumilative kwh since the meter was installed. If i could get all the codes you get on your meter i'd be happy, but i only get these 2.

So my question is, how do i get other codes on my meter? AGL's told me to ring PLUS ES (im guessing they maintain the meters?), and they told me that they couldnt do anything.

Is this a limitation of Ausgrid (my supplier in Sydney), or a limitation of AGL?

Thanks,

Dimitry

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Schander — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 03:49:34 GMT

Hi Dimitry,

>>The reason why i want to get live readings

>>is to tell if my solar is "working properly" at

>>a given time, as in, is it covering the usage

>>of my aircon right now?

I can certainly understand what you are after. If I may make a suggestion? You can request a detailed meter usage from AGL. Here's the link to do this: https://refer.agl.com.au/forms/request-metering-data/

You would also need to pull the detailed solar power generated from your Inverter's App.

For the same date/time period for both your Solar Panel System and your electricity bill, you should be able to apply this formula:

First calculate the Change in cumulative kWh on your Solar panel system for the date and time period.

Then look at the detailed meter usage from AGL for the same time period (you should have both registers from your smart meter on there) which is the Feed-in-Tariff (excess supplied to the grid) and the Grid (amount drawn from the grid after solar offset your household consumption).

Hence, we can principally agree that:

Solar Power Consumed Internally = Change in cumulative kWh on your solar panel system for the day - Feed-in-Tariff from your detailed meter usage report

To get the full picture, we need to understand the solar financial benefit for that day:

Solar Financial Benefit = (Solar Power Consumed Internally x AGL Peak Rate) + (Feed-in-Tariff kWh x Feed-in-Tariff rate)

If the value you get for Solar Financial Benefit exceeds the Feed-in-Tariff Amount for that day, you know that Solar is doing its job. If the question is how well, then you'd need to shorten the time period to when you flipped the aircon on and run the information through the formula above.

You could also calculate your household total consumption by applying this formula:

Solar Power Consumed Internally kWh + Grid (Drawn from AGL) kWh

Technically, the AGL bill would no longer reflect the true household consumption since your solar panels are offsetting as much of the power before the request goes to the grid and also any excess generated gets fed back into the grid. I know that this doesn't satisfy the requirement of real-time monitoring. But I don't believe you'll get the information you need with those two registers alone with these smart meters without comparing the information to your inverter (solar panel) results for the same time period.

Regards,

Schander

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Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Dimitryp — Wed, 18 Sep 2019 12:08:53 GMT

Thanks Schander. What you suggest i'm pretty much doing already. I was, however, after a way to get immediate live readings of current usage.

Its becoming apparent that its likely that AGL/Ausgrid dont offer this type of data on the type of meter i have.

What i'll probably end up doing is going doing the Efenergy monitor route, which you suggested. Its a bit more $ invested, but will provide some good live data and analysis, which would be interesting to see.

thanks,

Dimitry

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

BudDadude — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:26:27 GMT

This is for the Mk7C, though it suggests that the meter CAN do what you are asking for, and is likely configured to not show all of the readings -

https://www.energyassets.co.uk/media/resources/pdf/BG_RMM_EDMI-MK7C-web.pdf

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

BudDadude — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:36:58 GMT

I found this on another forum which may be useful to you -

If you want to be able to keep a closer eye on your day to day usage, I recommend investing in one of these smart energy monitors, as I have done http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Energy-Monitor-for-Smart-or-Digital-Electricity-Power-Meters-EW4500-Wireless/142123750213?hash=item21173c5345:g:oEwAAOSwQItT-uvf or you can search ebay for 'ew4500 power' and they'll come up.

The smart meter has a light on it that flashes every time you use (I think it's) 1/10 of a kwh. The energy monitor has a sensor that sticks over the flashing light to count how fast it's flashing. It then sends that information to the receiver you have in the house to tell how much energy you're using at that time – or you can see your useage per hour, day, month – if you see your power usage is really high for the week you can even look through the history and see when all that power was used.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

-Steve- — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:57:19 GMT

Hi Dimitryp,

This is something that is not currently possible. Your usage is usually available for viewing 24 - 48 hours after this has been used, via the AGL App or "My Account" https://myaccount.agl.com.au/.

You may of course want to get an Energy Monitoring device as mentioned by the previous poster.

Alternatively you can also get an indication of what has been used, by using the meter read displayed on the meter.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Thad19 — Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:33:58 GMT

I wanted to do the same thing, but its difficult. The simplest way to do it is at night time when Solar is not operating because at day time if your solar is generating say 3kW and your appliance uses 2kW then after an hour the electricity meter will show no power usage and a 1kWh feed-in power. So to check appliance using the meter, you need to take an initial meter reading at night time then switch on the appliance and start a stopwatch. When the appliance has been on for exactly 1hr (as per the stopwatch), turn the appliance off and take final meter reading. The difference between initial and final meter reading is your kW usage of the appliance in 1hr. Note to get reasonable accuracy it needs to be 1hr, also note the meter only measure kWh because that is what you pay for, hence they do not measure instantaneous kW usage.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

GoldCoastSteve — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 23:08:40 GMT

I think what you are asking for is more visibility on your usage. This is obviously a big no-no from the Electricity Provider (AGL) because you may actually manage your usage and hence reduce your bills. Even though they have access to live data, they can only provide it to us the customer 24-48 hours behind. According to my usage and recent bill I've used up to 100KWH some days at my house, which just didnt happen. Calling them and talking to them is like talking to a brick wall.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Schander — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 02:05:54 GMT

Hi GoldCoastSteve,

I'm sorry you had a had a bad experience. I don't believe most of the Electricity Providers mind if a consumer manages their usage. We can simply monitor the electricity by buying a product (In-home displays) and connect it to the meter. This information can be read real-time via a mobile app (not provided by the Electricity Provider) or on an internal display.

I believe the reason for the 24 hour delay for the readings is that all the results are compiled on a nightly basis. All that is being pulled real-time from the meter to the provider is the raw data.

Regards.

Schander

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Thad19 — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:47:21 GMT

I have since found out that you can get the Mk10d meter to display live usage. But I think most previous posts are talking about using an app that provides live reading so you don't have to go to the meter. Also some have problems obtaining Solar data - I don't have such problems, my solar inverter is paired with my home router on a static address and I get all solar data on computer. I think one day this will also be possible for the electricity meter. They do it in Europe using dedicated electricity meters compatible with solar inverter. I also think that one day it will be possible to wi-fi-pair electricity meters with your home router. Currently the meter is fitted with a wi-fi signal for use by energy company to allow meter reading without having to enter the property. In fact you mobile phone will detect it but you can't do anything with it without a dedicated app, hopefully one day it will offered by some independent company.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Dimitryp — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:50:48 GMT

@Thad19 - so how does one get the Mk10d to display live usage? I havent been able to figure that one out

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Thad19 — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 21:35:04 GMT

By using the 'select' button, which scrolls through date, import & export data only, but if you hold it down for couple of seconds you will observe a change to the next menu allowing you to then use the select button to scroll through other measurements like voltage, amperage etc and live Watt's.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Dimitryp — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:38:50 GMT

@Thad19 - congratulations mate, after asking numerous people on this forum, and emailing AGL and phoning AGL, and the company that manages the meter and reading the manual, etc etc - you're the first to actually be able to tell me how to do this.

any idea if there's any docco to explain which of the extra viewable readings is which?

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

GoldCoastSteve — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 01:10:28 GMT

Found this on Whirlpool, not sure of the accuracy of it:

I think our meter is different to these as we don't have any numeric codes. I just found this old thread from back in 2014 which has exactly the same screens as ours which confirms that the INtl is the exported Kwh sent back to the grid.

Mk10D readings
EHtL = total net kW imported into property; EHtL 3 = another phase (2-phase has this as zero)
INtl = net solar generated kW exported to the grid; again 3-phase people might have a second and 3rd readings INtl2, INtl3
INL1 = net generated and not used on the property: again there might be an INL3 reading
INP1 = gross generation from inverter before use on property. I'm assuming this is slightly less than the EM211 meter reading due to inverter and wiring losses. eg, my EM211 was reading 20Kw and the INP1 was 19.18kW
EHL1 = uncontrolled load on a phase
EHL2 = uncontrolled load on a 2nd phase
EHL3 = uncontrolled load on the 3rd phase if you have 3-phases
tP = total active power in real time and which will display either negative or positive. Negative during the day indicates that you are exporting energy at that point in time. Start up a large load and this might slip over to a positive value indicating you are importing energy.

Thanks for everyone's help on this, it is pretty confusing and not sure why Energy Australia can't have the above information on their website or at least get their website working properly to show energy the energy produced as well as the energy used.

Re: EDMI Atlas Mk10d meter - how to see live usage

Thad19 — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:14:51 GMT

Hi Dimitryp

There is no doc that explains the displays. The symbols are only understood by meter service personnel given in a service manual, see below.