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    <title>topic High Gas Usage Calculated For Shared Hot Water in Energy - General</title>
    <link>https://neighbourhood.agl.com.au/t5/Energy-General/High-Gas-Usage-Calculated-For-Shared-Hot-Water/m-p/42928#M2626</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I’m trying to understand a discrepancy between my gas usage (in MJ) and the theoretical energy required to heat water. The numbers don’t seem to line up, even after accounting for system efficiency.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Meter Data&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Read Date: 23 Mar 2026&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Read Type: Actual&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Start Read: 1,887&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;End Read: 3,342&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Usage: 1,455 units&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unit Size: 10 L (i.e. tens of litres)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Conversion Factor: 0.477937&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Total Energy: 6,954 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So total water volume used:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1,455 × 10 L = 14,550 L&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Expected Energy to Heat Water&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Assuming:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Starting temp = 15°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Target temp = 60°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Temperature rise = 45°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Specific heat capacity of water = 4.186 kJ/kg·°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1 L ≈ 1 kg&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Energy required:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Energy (kJ) = 14,550 × 4.186 × 45&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;= 2,741,000 kJ ≈ 2,741 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Accounting for System Efficiency&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Assuming a 70% efficient gas storage hot water system:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Required input energy = 2,741 ÷ 0.70&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;= 3,916 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Comparison&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Calculated requirement (with efficiency): ~3,916 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Metered usage: 6,954 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is ~77% higher than expected — nearly double the theoretical heating requirement.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Question&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Why is the MJ figure from the meter/conversion factor so high?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Even allowing for:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Storage losses&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pipe losses&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Standing heat loss&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Inefficiencies&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;…it still seems significantly above what physics would suggest is required to heat that volume of water.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 21:05:12 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>AnthonyGu</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2026-04-22T21:05:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>High Gas Usage Calculated For Shared Hot Water</title>
      <link>https://neighbourhood.agl.com.au/t5/Energy-General/High-Gas-Usage-Calculated-For-Shared-Hot-Water/m-p/42928#M2626</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I’m trying to understand a discrepancy between my gas usage (in MJ) and the theoretical energy required to heat water. The numbers don’t seem to line up, even after accounting for system efficiency.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Meter Data&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Read Date: 23 Mar 2026&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Read Type: Actual&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Start Read: 1,887&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;End Read: 3,342&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Usage: 1,455 units&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unit Size: 10 L (i.e. tens of litres)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Conversion Factor: 0.477937&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Total Energy: 6,954 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So total water volume used:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1,455 × 10 L = 14,550 L&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Expected Energy to Heat Water&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Assuming:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Starting temp = 15°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Target temp = 60°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Temperature rise = 45°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Specific heat capacity of water = 4.186 kJ/kg·°C&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1 L ≈ 1 kg&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Energy required:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Energy (kJ) = 14,550 × 4.186 × 45&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;= 2,741,000 kJ ≈ 2,741 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Accounting for System Efficiency&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Assuming a 70% efficient gas storage hot water system:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Required input energy = 2,741 ÷ 0.70&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;= 3,916 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Comparison&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Calculated requirement (with efficiency): ~3,916 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Metered usage: 6,954 MJ&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is ~77% higher than expected — nearly double the theoretical heating requirement.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Question&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Why is the MJ figure from the meter/conversion factor so high?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Even allowing for:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Storage losses&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pipe losses&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Standing heat loss&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Inefficiencies&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;…it still seems significantly above what physics would suggest is required to heat that volume of water.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 21:05:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://neighbourhood.agl.com.au/t5/Energy-General/High-Gas-Usage-Calculated-For-Shared-Hot-Water/m-p/42928#M2626</guid>
      <dc:creator>AnthonyGu</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-04-22T21:05:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: High Gas Usage Calculated For Shared Hot Water</title>
      <link>https://neighbourhood.agl.com.au/t5/Energy-General/High-Gas-Usage-Calculated-For-Shared-Hot-Water/m-p/42966#M2639</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi &lt;SPAN style="color:var(--ck-color-mention-text);"&gt;&lt;a href="https://neighbourhood.agl.com.au/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/143525"&gt;@AnthonyGu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thank you for your post.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;The MJ gas usage on your bill is total gas used, not just the useful gas used to heat the water tank.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you have other items in your house that use gas (Stove or heater), these would also be factored into your total usage.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;With your math, while there are some assumptions, other things to factor would be if you have a pilot light present it will consume a set amount itself, water mains are often closer to 8-12 degrees rather than the 15 mentioned. Depending on size and insulation of your tank can depend on your standing heat loss.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;The 70% system efficiency you mention is typically onl the steady-state combustion efficiency only, it doesn't account for the standing loss, cycling or if pilot light is used, and with seasonal changes can make efficiency closer to 45-60% depending on time of year.&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks, Chris&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2026 23:27:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://neighbourhood.agl.com.au/t5/Energy-General/High-Gas-Usage-Calculated-For-Shared-Hot-Water/m-p/42966#M2639</guid>
      <dc:creator>ChrisE_AGL</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-04-29T23:27:26Z</dc:date>
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